A special episode. You were
good. You were gonna mix it with
the music, but it didn't work
with it. No,
I was going to, but
we do that every episode. I want
to do something different when I
spice it up a little
bit, right? You gotta, you gotta
keep, keep people on their toes
after some episodes of listening
to our show.
So take one good look at this
music,
one good look, one good look at
the sound, at the sound,
because we may or may not be
keeping it for that
long. Yeah, leila's Oh, welcome
to funfactfriday com, two
bajillion. Two
bajillion. We've been here for
bajillions of years. Yes,
episode
200 Yeah, that's so many
episodes. That's like more than
nine episodes, at least. Yeah,
seven is the average podcast. Oh
my gosh. Okay, let's, let's
finish the intro before I go
into stories. Okay, we are Fun
Fact Friday. We are a weekly
podcast, usually that we talk
about facts and crap, but not
this week, because this is a
special, a very special episode
of Fun. By Friday,
it's a very special episode.
Yeah. So, yeah, two Wow, 200 I
said I didn't think we'd make it
a 200 Oh, no, so I didn't
either. I figured we'd be like
1520 episodes. Yeah, we get
bored with it and then. But no,
we started. We do have a
featured guest
on this episode. We do. He's not
here right now. Stay tuned. He
hasn't showed up yet. He hasn't
showed yet. We got an in studio
guest. He'll get here. When he
gets here, he kind of, you know,
plays, plays by his own rules.
It's Kyle. No, I wish.
Oh yeah, Kyle.
Gotta get Kyle out here. But
yeah, this episode, we're just
going to be talking about some
of our favorite memories from
the show. We're going to be
reading some notes that we got
from some of our awesome
audience. We've we've built up a
very supportive and fun and and
happy community around this
show. And it feels really good
getting some of these notes that
we've gotten, and we've gotten
notes that they've said, you
know, don't read this. So it's
those are. Those are fantastic.
We definitely appreciate
everything that we get from
everybody, and even like when
you post something on Mastodon
or Twitter to us, we love that
just any kind of feedback,
anything at all, and but, yeah,
we got 200 episodes under our
belt.
Yeah, we're doing the support at
the end of the show. Yep, we're
gonna
do support at the end of the
show. However, I am gonna read,
I'm gonna do one, one little bit
of it's kind of support the hot
sauce. Yeah, we're out. We did
it. We're out. We're out of hot
sauce. We took one bottle and
opened it and tried it, and it's
almost gone. Yeah, it's really
good. It's good stuff to me. And
we sold, sold the rest to
various folks, and I wanted to
thank some of them. We've got
James Kim and little Aaron
Hartnett bought a bottle from
us. I want to ship that out last
week. Thank you. And my mother
bought a bottle from us because
he's like, I have to have one,
you know? Yeah, because I
thought she talks Sam from a
local pub, well traveled beer.
They may actually start selling
it in the in the pub. Yeah, let
me do they've got a little hot
sauce section, so we might be on
the shelf. Got to talk to him
about that. We got Heather,
another local person, and then
we've got three more. We've got
cousin Vito bought a couple
bottles. We've got bully steed,
and we've got Vox, and we want
to thank everybody who bought
some of our signature, initial
first batch, first edition, fun
fact, fire day hot sauce. Now
you can have
the loudest bottle in the world.
Yeah, mute my mic for a minute.
You can go to Hot Sauce dot
funfactfriday com if you want to
order it by the case, I think
the minimum order is like 12,
and we'll get a split of that,
and it is cheaper if you you do
it that way. Hot Sauce, H, O, T,
S, A, U, C, E, C, E, okay. Hot
sauce, hot sauce. Dot
funfactfriday com. And I'm
looking at that because I
haven't looked it up yet. That
will take you to the thing where
you can order yo order by the
case, and we will get a cut of
that so you are supporting the
show. If you do that, we may
label what it just shows the
label. Yeah, it just shows the
label. It's just, I mean, it's
just a bottle.
I mean, true,
yeah, the website that that,
it's sticker, it's mule sauce.
Is what? It
just looks it just looks like
hot sauce. So, I don't
know, but, yeah, we wanted to
let everybody know we are, we
are. We're probably, next time
they go on, they they do sales
occasionally, and next time they
do a. Sale, we'll probably order
another signature version, where
we actually sign the bottles for
you before we send them out. So
stay tuned for that. Shipping is
just, it's just expensive. But
yeah, that. And then I did want
to we got, I'm going to go ahead
and read some notes real quick
before we get to our interview,
and we got one from Kevin
Hallisey, who boosts a lot for
us and says, Hey, thank you
both, and thank Phaedra for
sharing you. I've enjoyed the
show for years. Prompted by the
mention on no agenda, shout out
to no agenda. That was me
saying, shout out. Yeah, I was a
reliable listener, just enjoying
the facts and trivia until
episode 66 coffee at the eight
minute and three second mark,
slightly offline, Leila says,
calm down. Jamal, and I was
hooked. That's a reference
to a vine. I feel bad for like,
thinking them, thinking that
this was, like my original idea.
I hope they weren't. But, uh,
okay, so, and I was hooked, and
I'm pausing the note there. And
here we go. Here we go, yeah.
So, yeah. Um, 1000s of pilgrims
visiting the holy city of Mecca
each year from all over the
world. Knowledge of the wine of
Araby began to spread some
coffee took off in the Arabian
Peninsula, and then it came to
Europe. Around the 17th century,
some people reacted to the new
beverage with sufficient
suspicion and fear, calling it
the bitter invention of Satan.
Whoa, so local clergy, condemn,
yeah, local clergy, clergy. And
I didn't know that was a vine
reference when it came to
Venice. Shut up, David, shut up.
Respectfully. Yeah, I didn't, I
didn't know that that was vine.
Okay. So back to the note,
back in my day, when we just
started the show, I was really
into the vines, so I would
reference them all the time,
right?
And I didn't, I'd never seen
that one. And I hate it. I hate
it. When I go to show you a
meme, you're like,
Oh yeah, I love that one. And
I'm
like, that was my favorite. He
showed me that one yesterday. I
love that meme. And he's like,
so here we go. Okay, back to the
note, yeah, this 11 year old
girl instantly blurted out a
hilarious shot at a non
existent, yet appropriately
named Jamal. Quick thinking
targeted, playful and harmless,
best kind of humor and
intelligence. There are
certainly highlights in every
episode, and I liked the oh
moment of realization when Leila
found the meaning behind my
1414, donation. I'm so confused
about it. A and boom, they were
married on the same day.
And then Kevin Hallisey on the
sharks episode for what 1414?
Sat.
I don't know what that, that
significance of that number is,
yeah,
maybe you just realized 14.
Yeah, oh, it's because I'm
turning Okay. Happy birthday,
Leila.
I was trying to lead you to it,
but I was like, I don't know
what that was like, looking at
you,
I remember that. Okay, back to
it. She can speak very quickly,
but I think I said, I don't
know. Maybe she just likes 14
and in about one second, and out
of the and, oh, sorry. Okay, let
me get me. Here we go. And, of
course, the Yeah, you're right.
Episode was hilarious.
We can do that. We can do that.
Yeah, you're right, yeah,
yeah, you're right.
We never really use it anymore.
Yeah, things fall out of
style. Can't remember what
episode that is culminating and
Leila saying something about him
being annoying, probably me. I
love the curiosity and
skepticism throughout all the
shows. It also feels like being
in a room with friends. It's
just what we're trying to go
for. Yeah,
we're going for like a
sleepover, but stories, telling
facts to each other, just
listening to fun stories. This
was especially helpful last
August and September, when I was
unusually discouraged by car
trouble. Oh, I can relate. I
drive for a living and only get
paid where I'm actually driving
my car through a rod, and even
after I swapped the replacement
with a replacement engine, it
wouldn't start. I love the prius
v and it's a most wonder, and
it's a mostly wonderful vehicle,
except when it isn't. The few
shops that could have helped
were booked six to eight weeks.
My brother out in Hawaii has
that problem, like, if he needs
something serviced, he just
either has to figure it out
himself or put it on a list, and
he doesn't get get it done for
like, six months. Okay, back to
them and saying, expensive, yep,
all I had was YouTube and trial
and error that that is me with
almost every one of my projects,
I keep interrupting for weeks
with no income. To sleep at
night, I queued up six or eight
funfactfriday coms on fountain,
closed my eyes and prayed you
really pulled me through the
roughest times. I. As real
friends do, even if the show
ends, such as your hiatus, I
treasure the back episodes. I
can always listen and always
smile when I do. Yeah, if you
Oh, your friend, forever
grateful. Kevin Hallisey rhymes
with fallacy, which cleared up
how we should say your name,
which Leila said it right
before. So that was good. When
you were saying it on the
episode with the 1414, you said
it correctly. We weren't sure,
so we went with what we thought
was right.
I might have called it policy
right, but, but yeah,
folks, I You should go in case
something happens because, like,
our web server is raising prices
again, and I'm gonna have to
move stuff. I've got everything
all backed up. But if you want
go, go and get, like, every
episode, and this isn't us
trying to up our download
numbers, but yeah, go make make
an archive. Keep it. Keep an
archive of the show, because who
knows what's gonna happen with
my backups. You know, I may be
calling.
I need somebody to give me all
the episodes.
But Kevin, thank you so much for
the note. It really meant a lot
to us. The part about you know,
as real friends do with pulling
you through rough times, we that
is what we hope that we do with
every episode, that we can be
fun enough, but still like, not
bring up political stuff or
bring up things that are, you
know, yeah, divisive, and we
just trying to have a good time
hang out like we're, like we're
hanging out with friends, and
that's what we're going for.
Let's see. Okay, so I think
we'll hold off on, let's see. Oh
no, let me do, let me do this
real quick. We also got a little
audio clip here. I don't know
how loud this is gonna be,
so a little bit, and we'll like
lead into it. What do we get?
Hey there, Leila and David. This
is Adam curry. Yes, the
podfather, I want to
congratulate you guys with 200
episodes. And thank you so much
for the work that you've been
doing, not just showing a great
relationship between a dad and a
daughter, but also being
podcasters of the really, of the
highest order podcasting 2.0
you're doing value for value.
You really have taken this
medium to a place that I could
only have dreamed of. So again,
thank you so much for all that
you do. And congratulations on
200 episodes. And here's to the
next 200 Hey there, Lee
Whoopsie,
that was Adam curry, as he said,
Yes, Adam curry from no agenda,
the podfather. He's the the guy
who made, made podcasting, I
think so we definitely
appreciate him sending us in
that little, little audio note
for us that means, means so much
to us. Adam's been a huge part
of this show, as our guest has
been, and I think we'll go ahead
and lead into the to the guest
interview conversation, whatever
you want
to call how we started the
interview. So here it is. No,
no, oh, he's here. He's
in studio. He's
coming in right now. There,
there
he is. All right, all right.
That was the best beginning of a
podcast I have ever heard. But
now that is
the best stack of VHS tapes I
have ever seen.
So now, as we just told you,
we're into the guest portion of
our 200th episode. Yeah. And
joining us in studio is John C
Dvorak,
that would be me. Yeah.
John is the co host of no
agenda. That's where this, where
we'll get into that in a minute.
And also Dvorak Horowitz, or
it's Dvorak Horowitz unplugged,
yeah, dH, unplugged.
DH unplugged. Yes. I was
actually listening to that last
night or night before, I can't
remember. We
also, I'm also the husband of
the book author, Mimi Dvorak,
yeah, who was on your show? It
turns out
our best, our highest downloaded
episode ever, actually. Oh,
really. Well,
then people should go to too
many eggs.com I would get that
plug in and download a free PDF
of the book. Yeah, the book's a
killer.
It's, we have it. We have it on
our shelf. And I will say my
wife has never liked eggs her
entire life. So,
so you use it to what ward off
intruders. I mean, you can kill
somebody.
You can it's mad. Oh my gosh.
No. We actually, we actually use
it. Leila really enjoys cooking,
and I have been trying to get my
wife to eat eggs since we've
gotten married, been over 20
years now, because it's, yeah,
she doesn't like eggs. So after
our chat with Mimi, I was like,
I'm. Gonna find an egg recipe
she likes, and I finally did.
So, yeah, what it's it's so, so
simple. Mimi told us on the show
that if we put something acidic
into the eggs and let it sit for
a minute, it'll break up the
long proteins and then add a
little cream of tartare, and
it'll fluff them up a little
bit. And that was it.
So we have a lemon juice thing
in our fridge specifically for
making eggs, right?
Yeah, I've used that trick. It
works
little lemon juice and cream of
tartar and then mix it in. Boom,
done. And so now,
if you're in the Loire Valley in
France, you'll find when they
cook eggs, or if you go to a
breakfast, you'll see, find that
a lot in France, it's a trick
they use.
Well, I don't plan on going to
France anytime soon. Just stay
out of Paris if you find Right,
right? But yes, too many
eggs.com. I can't recommend the
book enough. Get the free to
PDF. Flip through it, and then
you'll realize I want this on my
shelf. It's it's a great book.
Now I asked my
job is done.
See you next time.
Yeah. Outro, please. But I
first was aware of John C Dvorak
from I believe it was Tech TV,
or on Tech TV at one point, or
zdtv. I was on Tech TV for four
years. I couldn't remember it
was Tech TV or zdtv at the time.
Well, zdtv and it became Tech TV
about halfway through its run,
right,
right? I couldn't, I couldn't
remember if it was that one way,
which way it was.
Sorry, started as ZD TV, which
was the second iteration of
zdtv. The original one was on
MSNBC. And they had, we had a
couple of shows there. I was
only on it here, here and again,
and that's where they had the
show, the site, which was
actually where Leo Laporte got
his start. And this, was a good
and the show was excellent, and
there was some good material
there. But what happened with
MSNBC? The history of MSNBC,
that was the era when Microsoft
actually owned a big piece of
it. It was a joint venture, and
they were gonna do a lot of tech
stuff, and it was gonna be kind
of a generalized network on the
cable. But what happened was the
princess die got killed or died
in that car wreck, right? And so
they started covering it. And as
they covered it, more and more
and more, the ratings were going
up and up and up to the point
where it's like, why are we
doing this other stuff? Let's
dump all that crap. So decide
that everything was basically
everybody, but he was fired, and
they went with this sort of semi
news CNN competitor, and that
was the end of it.
So that's the story of what I
remember when they were covering
tech stuff. I didn't know that
was the turning point for it. I
do remember the princess die
news was the first thing that I
remember finding out, like a
first world event that I found
out about on the internet before
I found out about it on TV,
because I was in a chat room
when it happened, an old IRC
chat room, and somebody was
like, Princess Diana just, uh,
just died. And I was like, what?
And I'd turn on the news to see
it. I
still find it funny, when I
found out that, uh, Queen
Elizabeth died in person and not
online, I learned about her
dying at school.
Oh yeah, because it was, like,
at
three o'clock, so I was still in
school, different,
different generation, because
you, you, you just assume you're
gonna find out everything on
exactly. So yeah, because that's
shocking. Shocked
The Untold History of MSNBC
and then, and then you moved
over to twit, or you were on,
you know, you were a guest on
Twitter.
Cranky geeks was way before, I'm
sorry, we had Tech TV and zdtv
was way before twit. When Leo
started twit. He was kind of a
clone of the former zdtv Because
he always felt he could do it
better than the bosses at Tech
TV did it. Of course he did and
and in the meantime, I was also
doing something called cranky
geeks. I
remember cranky geeks, which was
the formulaic show, which is the
last time I was going to get
involved with having guests or
doing interviews, and except for
I had a radio show too called
Real computing, which was booked
and but it was a money loser.
Cranky geeks could have made
money, but they didn't know how
to how to sell it. But that was
an interesting model, because
what I did with cranky we if
anyone I know where these tapes
all went, I probably have a few,
but cranky geek started off as
an experiment, and we're doing
different layouts, and we'd have
me in the middle, people on the
side. There was all these
different ways of doing it, and
I came up with this I thought
was the best formula. And I've
seen other people kind of copy
it, but they may not have the
exact right idea. What I did was
I put myself on the left side of
the of the panel, and I'd have
three panelists, and so I'd be
on the left, and the panelist in
the middle was Sebastian rupley,
and he was a stooge. He was
basically the go to guy. He was
like a sidekick. He was like
Johnny Carson and Ed McMahon,
and he was the go to guy in the
middle, if the two guests, which
are always different on every
show, the guy next to me, who
was usually the most amateurish
on television, and the one
furthest away, who may have had
some experience, if they crapped
out in terms of quality of
discussion, I'd go to Sebastian
and he could carry the show
awesome. And I always thought
that model was, it's just a
stunning model for doing this
sorts of shows, because you
never have a it, because it's
always lively. You don't have,
you know, if you put three new
people on it, on the show, you
could have had three, you could
have three duds, which is the
big fear of all these shows.
Yeah,
you get the like, just brings
the energy of the show all the
way down. It's so horrible.
Leila's and I both, we're both
pretty good at filling in. We
notice when dead air is
happening, and we're both really
quick. And Leila, I'm very
impressed by her being being on
her toes with stuff. She always
has a gag ready to go
sometimes,
but we don't. We don't cut out
our dead air either. We leave it
in. Yeah,
you should, because otherwise
the timing goes away. But the
you, the more you do. Leila
should know this, the more she
does on Mike's stuff that she'll
just be really good at when
she's older.
Yeah, yeah. That's one of the
things I wanted to do when
making our show, was teach her
you don't have to be afraid of a
microphone. You don't have to be
afraid of talking in front of
people. And I feel like
she's gotta have to be able to
just jump in, like I just did,
exactly,
yeah, exactly. You
got to be ready to jump in there
and give it a go, see where else
did. What was the other thing
that I wanted to I saw you on
Twitter, and that's how I found
out about no agenda was twit.
And also you had for a little
while. I don't know how long you
did it, but it was a daily tech
like five minutes,
check five. It was called,
right? I was working for mivio
when i What happened was I was
at doing Twitter, and when it
started off, and then we're
cranky, geese kind of came along
at the same time, but, but I was
fascinated by Leo. Leo is always
a ahead of his time, considering
he's in broadcasting, as a radio
guy, and he started podcasting,
like a year before, or at least
six months before, I knew what
the hell was going on and but I
was doing the early twit
podcasts, and I just thought to
myself, you know, this is
because I saw the writing on the
wall after the.com collapse. In
so far as writing about tech is
concerned, the magazines
business and the rest it was
going to go to the into the
crapper, right? And so I said,
I, you know, I gotta, I don't
mind doing Leo's show, but I
gotta know how to do this stuff
from scratch. So I talked myself
into a job at Media, which was
Adam Curry's company at the
time. I've had a meeting with
him at Fringe all restaurant San
Francisco in 2006 I think, and
it was like, I I just basically
talked him into hiring me so I
could learn the business from
the ground up. And once, and I
thought it was more complicated
than it was, and when I learned
how to do podcasts easily, it
turns out to be like falling off
a log. It's not a hard, no, it's
not difficult. And so, so I
worked there for about a year
and a half or so, and it was
good for me, because I was
getting health insurance and but
I got to learn all of and that
during that period, I was doing
all these experimental little
podcasts. And tech five was one
of them. It was the five minute
tech news on a daily basis. I
don't think it was that good.
I enjoyed it, but I like the
link that was gonna get
perfect, five minutes. Boom, out
now, our
show was originally supposed to
be less than a minute. We were
gonna, we were literally just
gonna go, Hey, it's
funfactfriday com, and then say
a fact. And then, all right,
you're just gonna do
hits. We were gonna do hits the
people. Yeah, yeah. There was
actually a business in that,
usually that syndicate the hits
the radio stations or something,
and you just have these little
short spots. There is a business
there, but if you're going to do
podcasting, it's like, what I've
worked or kind of acknowledged
to myself over the years, is
that podcasts are are they're
just like an animal, and they're
going to have, they have their
own life. And so, for example,
when Adam and I started no
agenda. We're going to do a half
hour or so and then start going
along. And we went to 40
minutes, and this is no real
end. You don't have to end at
any specific time, even though
Horowitz and I do a pretty good
job of keeping it to an hour.
But we'd go on, he would go on
to an hour. He's got to no
agenda. Got to an hour, then it
got to an hour and a half. And
said, Well, we got to, you know,
do an hour and a half, and they
went to hour 45 it just kept
getting longer, until the point
where we feel, I said, 245 that
is going to be it. And that's
actually the supposed length of
no agendas, two hours and 45
minutes. We hit that once or
twice a year. Most of the time
it goes three, and then it just
kind of goes 310, three. And I
think our average is about
three, 310, three hours and 10
minutes long format, which,
which, in the early days of
podcasting was, was poo pooed as
duh, you can't No, nobody wants
to listen to anything for three
hours, although, believe me,
truck drivers love the
show. And I did data entry at
the time when I was listening to
it, when I started listening to
it. And when you're doing data
entry, moving information from a
page to a screen, and it's, you
don't have to think long form
stuff is fantastic. And that's
yeah, when you were saying that
you played around with you
wanted to play around the format
and learn the business. That's
how I got into it. I was
listening to a lot of audio
dramas, because those can get
kind of long podcasts. And I was
like, I'm gonna know how to do
this. And then realized how easy
I wanted
to do some audio plays, because
I'm a big OTR guy, I have, like,
probably the entire collection
of escape Lex theater, a couple
other really good ones. That's
my,
sorry. My other show is a, it's
audio drama.
It's a yes, I understand that
rarely produced. And so, you
know, so I like audio plays. And
what I mean, kind of always been
fascinated with is that the
stuff that was done in the
probably the 30s and 40s, I
think, was the heyday of this
stuff. But you listen to
suspense or escape, which is
still, I think the top of the of
the line for these short dramas.
They're half hour intense, half
hour shows that went that many
of these half hour shows became
movies. Have movies. I mean,
it's amazing how tight these
stories were, because even the
half hour radio play back in the
late 30s would probably still
only be 22 minutes, maybe
because they still they ran
commercials and they could jam
and like a tight, tight,
convoluted, multi plot story
into that period of time. It's
always been a fascination.
So escape is the the name of it.
I look that one up because I
escaped the
series that ran from about, I
think it started in the early
40s. I'd have to look at it. I
mean, just listen. The
archive.org has, I think all the
episodes, and they have them,
they've had a few of them that
been cleaned up, but it's kind
of whoever cleaned them up.
There's their sound terrific,
except that they sound effects
and some of the stuff has been
muted. It's kind of, they kind
of messed them up. But, but
escape is the one I if you
listen to all the the whole
series, which I think it went on
for probably 10 years. You'll
have a lot of these stories
you'll be familiar with because
many of them were turned into
movies. Diamond as big as the
Ritz is a classic. I there's
about three or four Lanigan
versus the ants. I would
recommend diamond as big as the
Ritz, which is based on a F
Scott Fitzgerald's short story
is killer story. I can think two
or three more of them that I
think are just just top notch,
suspenseful stories that are
just move along like crazy. They
just just go nuts. I'll
definitely
find those and put those in the
show notes for everybody to go
find. And if those are public
domain, I might take those and
make a make a feed out of them.
I don't think, yeah, I think
they're public it's all that
stuff, old radio stuff from the
that period, including
performances, musical
performances are are considered
public domain, right? If you're
technically public domain, no,
nobody knows, and nobody also
can. There's nobody that's going
to go after you, because these
guys are all dead, right?
I found out that. The original
story. I can't remember the name
of it right now, the original
story that the movie, the thing
was based off of is in the
public domain, yeah. So I can do
that original story as an audio
drama, and I've got it queued
up. I'll eventually do
it. Well, you'll go nuts if you
listen to the Escape series.
They had some of the best
actors, and some of the better
stories they did two or three
times over the years with
different actors, and they all
have a kind of a different take,
but you will just cool. Love the
Escape series. It's, it's,
there's nothing like it.
Suspense comes close. And then
there's other, I think, lux
radio theater used to do. What
they used to do is take,
actually take movies. It was
like a reverse engineered way of
doing things. And they were hour
long plays. And they would take
movies and turn them into radio
plays in a kind of reverse
order, right? So the movie, the
movie come out, and make a radio
play out of it. They
did that in Twilight Zone also
to a less Yes. And Twilight Zone
was a tight half hour too.
It was, it was, that's what I
push the the type of stories
that I do on Medus pod, I've
always tried to aim for stories
that felt like Twilight Zone.
Yes, that would be and those
stories felt like escape. So I
just
That's That's cool. I'm and I'm
very excited. I'm gonna go, I'm
gonna I've got a whole new
lesson.
One show after the other. You
can go and just you binge on
this thing. You actually,
they're kind of nerve wracking
in some instances, but they're
killer stories, killer tight,
compact. It's like, if people
could tell stories like that
today, we'd all be better off,
right, boring crap that we get
to see.
So I always what we started
doing, since AI is a thing now
with I've paying for Twitter,
which gives me access to the
grok. So I have asked grok, who
is John C Dvorak. Give me a
short bio, and it gave me three
things. Tell me how accurate
these are.
Are you ready? Yeah, before you
do that, I will say that grok is
I use grok, and I like it. I
like
it too. It's, I've written a
couple little JavaScript things
for the website, and I don't
know very much JavaScript. I
can, I can, you know, stumble my
way through, but it helped me
write some stuff correct
JavaScript. Don't know it
either. They just steal code
works. That's how JavaScript
works. 98%
of JavaScript is stolen. So
well, it's not stolen.
It's part of a giant library
where you just it's basically
stolen, but it's not stolen,
gotcha.
So it says John C Dvorak is a
character in a series of
children's books about a tech
savvy detective who solves
mysteries with his trusty
sidekick, a robot named bite.
Yeah. It also says he's unknown
to me, this character.
He's the lead singer of a little
known 8080s Hair Metal band
called Tech Talk. And he's the
world's Champion, Champion of
competitive yo yoing. And he
uses interesting
tech. There's zero for zero for
three.
He uses this well
on a show called Tech Talk once,
which is not my show, is
somebody else's yo yo thing is
pretty wild. That's content what
that is, what I because I know
the way grog operates, that's
some sort of contaminated
information that somebody's put
out there.
No, it's, it's a gag. It's a bit
I always put I ask whatever the
topic of the show is. I like the
yo yo though, yeah, the yo yo
things neat. I I ask it. Who is
John C Dvorak? I need a short
bio, wrong answers only. Oh,
so it takes I get suckered by
it. Thank you.
It and like it, it gave me,
like, seven or eight really,
really outlandish things, and I
just picked the ones that are,
like, just kind of silly. You
know,
that's one of the reasons,
again, there's a good reason I
like rock, because this is where
I was kind of surprised by those
answers, because you could get
it to do stuff like that.
Oh, it was before I did the
wrong answers. Only I did an
actual one, and it was, it was
really good, because just from
knowing, from knowing about you,
from listening to no agenda for,
you know, 15 years it, it really
knows, like, all kinds of stuff.
And it actually mentioned to
Mimi's book. And it was like,
yeah, yeah, it did.
Let me see, okay, let
me see if I can pull, pull up
that chat, because it saves your
it saves your chats with grok
and. Um,
one copilot isn't as funny as
co pilot is. Is hot garbage. It
is. I forgot, who does copilot.
Copilot is open, AI mixed with
Microsoft. Oh, okay, it's
Microsoft doing it when you
expect, yeah, the it, yeah, it
was no good. Okay, so here we
go. I've clicked it. I said,
What are some good questions to
ask? John C Dvorak, I just
wanted to see what what it knew
about you, right? It asked about
the mouse incident. But it's
a mouse incident.
I call it the mouse book. It
says, yeah, the mouse incident.
It's, it said, John, you were
famously said that there was no
evidence people wanted. So it
actually got the no evidence
thing in there. Yeah, that's a
plus. Personally, I have to, I
have to that that is brilliant,
the way that you worded that.
Just so there was a fact at the
time, the fact of the time that
there's no evidence, and then,
boom, you're not like, it's no
evidence, yeah. And then it
talks about evidence, no agenda.
And then it talks about climate
change in San Francisco.
What does it say?
It says, These are questions I
asked. What question should I
ask? Right? And I'm not going to
ask any of these questions. I
just wanted to see how it did.
Let's see. It says, given your
office overlooks the the flat
bays, has climate change ever
tried to say, interesting,
that would do this. Because this
is something we talked about on
the show all the time. It's kind
of a running gag, right? Because
I can see the bay from my house,
and I can see the mud flats
which and somebody sent me a one
of our producers, at no agenda,
sent me a map of the Bay Mud
Flap of mud flaps, mud flat
areas. He sent me a map of the
mud flats from 1890 that's a
very old USGS map of some sort,
and it's no change. There's zero
change. It's exactly the same as
it is today. And so I use that
as a jumping off point for this
sea level rise right? Complaint
that people have. And it's like,
when is going to happen because
we have a freeway down here that
is one foot above sea level, and
it's, I've never it's never been
flooded in all the years I lived
up here, yeah,
and that makes me wonder,
because I know grock tries to
where they got that they either
look at the transcripts from no
agenda show, or, I don't know
what, because I've never written
about it,
right? And, like, I thought grok
was mostly pulling from Twitter
and, you know, X and Twitter
sources that maybe links or
whatever. So maybe people are
linking the show on Twitter
once, maybe twice, a picture of
the mud flats with some comment,
right?
So maybe that, that was it
possible it says, it brings up
the vinegar book. Yeah, asking
book. And then, which? We've got
a quite a couple. Les got a
question about vinegar? What?
But let me, let me finish this,
this before we move. Let's see
no agenda. If no agenda was a
Netflix series, who would you
cast as yourself then living the
Bay Area? Buzzkill. You've
embraced the nickname buzzkill
if you were a superhero. And you
know, it has these stupid
questions. And then the last one
is Mimi's book. Your wife, Mimi
wrote too many eggs. If you were
to write a sequel with what
would it be called too much
vinegar?
He was saying that to me. We
were like, in Chick fil A, and
he was like, yeah. The Rock
said, Would you write a book
named too many vinegar? Yeah,
too
many vinegar.
Grammatical issue there?
Yeah, that's funny.
It's so funny. Yeah, Leila,
Lila's dealing with some vinegar
earlier than Yeah.
So I was making pickles
yesterday. What you're
making of? What kind of would
you make? Are you fermenting
pickles? Yes,
I like making.
So you're using salt solution
and, and, and pickling
cucumbers, right? Sure, I'm
getting a no one what?
Just tell, tell them your recipe
real quick.
What do you I just throw stuff
in there. I don't have a recipe.
But what's the best vinegar for
making? What's
the best vinegar for for
generalized pickles? Yeah, well,
most people in the south, they
use, uh, distilled white
vinegar, and then they dilute
it, usually, depending on on
your on the recipe, it's up to
two to one, yeah, but most
that's in the south, but
elsewhere to get some flavor
that's makes the they use that.
Apple cider vinegar. And I think
most people use that. Using wine
vinegar for pickles is kind of a
waste of the vinegar. It should
be used in salads and things
where, you know more is a
condiment, but I would tend to
use if I'm just pickling
something randomly with a
vinegar pickle. I I'd like apple
cider the best.
Yeah, I like the taste of cider
banger.
It's got a nice style to it, in
terms of the way, the way it
presents itself. But what you
want to do, since you're young
enough to go through this agony,
you want to develop a formula
for fermented pickles now
fermented. Pickles, which are
literally fermented like like,
like beer involves a salt salt
water solution and raw usually
pickling pickle. Pickling
cucumbers is a very specific
cucumber that's designed to be
fermented. Now, the old stores
have them. You'll, you'll,
you'll see Pickle, Pickle
cucumbers that say something
like that, on, on they're,
they're all distinctive looking.
You've seen that pickle before,
but it's not a great pickle to
eat in salads or just eat raw,
but it's a great pickle for for
cucumber pickles fermented. And
you can read about the I have,
like, I got a good start on
doing these fermented pickles.
For a long time, I was making
some killers, and then somehow
something changed. And I think
it was either the salt I was
using or there was, I don't
know, but all of a sudden I got
these super mushy pickles. And
so, I mean, like, mushy, it's
like, I had to throw them out
batch after batch. I was getting
this problem. And then it turns
out, and although this is not
discussed much, but you should
at least keep in the back of
your mind if you ever want to
try this, because this is when
you make these pickles, and when
they come out right, they're the
best tasting thing you'll ever
have. They're tremendous. It
takes about couple it takes at
least two weeks, sometimes
longer, to get a batch finished.
That takes they have to ferment,
takes a while, but you have to
either there's, there's certain
things that have to be in the
pickling juice. Bay leaves is
one thing that seems to work.
Also dill seems to work. And
dills using a lot of stuff, and
it doesn't provide any flavor.
It's actually provides a
chemical that keeps things from
getting mushy. And the bay
leaves, I think, do that does
the best job, from what I've
determined so far. But because
it's got real bay leaves,
Grecian Bay is that it's, it's
loaded with, God knows what's
what chemicals come out of that
leaf, so flavorful, though,
yeah, but it's something that
helps pickling. So if you but
you have to read, and everybody
on the web, there's probably 30
YouTube videos on how to do
this. And everybody's got their
own, you know, their own kind of
formula. Nobody's Right, yeah,
the problem with the web and
with YouTube in particular, and
I've always challenged people, I
say, anyone who knows how to
make, for example, boss Mati
rice properly, you won't find it
on. I look at YouTube videos
because I just as a lark I was
in Can anyone cook this stuff
correctly? No, Chinese rice.
It's not a Chinese rice, it's a
boiled rice. So you have to boil
it in a lot of water, and you
have to clean it a lot. I
usually rinse my basmati rice,
sometimes up to seven times,
depending on the source of the
rice, to get it clean, because
it tastes like It tastes
terrible otherwise, and so, so
you have to absorb everything
you can, and then you have to go
your own way. But I'm telling
you, if you you should start
fermenting vegetables. It's
like, it's a great product. She,
she, uh, definitely has the
patience to do it. She has more
patience than anybody else in
our house. Yeah,
she's perfect for fermenting
vegetables and pickles. And you
start with pickles and you work
out you you can also make your
own sauerkraut. Sauerkrauts are
real. That's actually kind of
easy to do, and what, what's
cool about making your own
sauerkraut, which is also a
salted, you know, you salt the
crown. You don't even use any
liquid. The liquid comes out of
the cabbages. Kind of pickles
itself in the cabbage juice. But
what's cool about doing
sauerkraut is you can, you can
pickle or sauerkraut, make
sauerkraut out of red cabbage.
And that's you can't buy red
cabbage sauerkraut. It's almost
impossible. Now, I was doing a
lot of sauerkraut until Costco
came. Found a brand. They have a
brand of fresh fermented
sauerkraut that they sell at the
Costco locally here, and I think
most of them have it. It, which
is so good and made properly,
that is like, why am I going to
waste my it's cheap. Why am I
going to waste my time making
sauerkraut now that it said,
Unless I want to make red
sauerkraut? Why am I going to do
that when I can buy this Costco
stuff, and it says outstanding
products,
how I feel about tortillas? I
looked up, I saw, look how easy
it is to make tortillas. And I
was like, okay, yeah, let me try
that, that the hassle that of
making tortillas is totally
fresh. Oh no, you know, I made
really good ones, just in a
skillet
and
but they came out and they
taste, tasted, felt, and looked
just like the ones that I buy
and our local grocery store,
they're super cheap. You get
eight, nine inch ones for, like,
under $2 so I'm like, yeah, it's
not worth
the hassle. No, there are
moments where it's not worth the
hassle. Yeah.
Now, if I was making 200 of
them. I've
saved some good fermented dill
pickles. There's always a
specialty shop. It's nothing you
can just get. They don't have in
Costco, they have, you know,
some sort of other kind of
pickle they that they have,
there's a vinegar pickle. It's
almost like pulling teeth in
when you can find there's a
place in Berkeley that has that
that sells specifically
fermented pickles, cucumbers.
It's like, 910, bucks for a jar.
It's really expensive. So, and
these cucumbers are cheap. So
it's like, at some point
there's, there is stuff that you
can do cheaper. Do you pickles?
Is one of them? Do
you have Mount Olive brand
pickles over there on the West
Coast. We have out here. We're
that's right up the road from
us. Yeah, Mount Olive, North
Carolina, is right up the road.
And here's a fun fact,
they never used to have a Mount
Olive products out here. But the
thing I like about Mount Olive
when they finally got them out
here, because I used to have
this, this product in if you go
to Canada and you're in Toronto,
for example, and you you'll
notice there's hot dog stands
all over the place, just like
New York City. Only the
difference between the New York
City dogs, which is that they
were called Dirty water dogs
because they're all boiled and
there's a dog in the water, and
they put put in the bun, the
Toronto dogs tend to be grilled,
and they also have for a
condiment they has, and it's
done slightly different to New
York stuff is usually sauerkraut
style, Jewish style, hot dog,
all beef. And so the Toronto
they had these, these pepper
rings. And I've never they never
had them on the west coast for
years and years, and then Mount
Olive when it made its inroads
into California, they had the
pepper rings. And these Mount
Olive pepper rings are just
beautiful. They're great, yeah,
they're
Mount Olive. Pickle company was
the, one of the first, if not
the first, major manufacturer to
use high fructose corn syrup in
their product. Is too bad. Yeah,
they but that's most of our
pickles in our fridge that Leila
didn't make. Are from Mount
Olive and then the jalapeno
rings and the all the specialty
stuff that they have there at
our grocery stores down the
street, they have a probably 15
foot, you know, floor to the top
shelf of Mount Olive products.
Well, if they're local, they
should, right? Yeah, I always
hate these guys. They cheap out
and go with this high fructose
corn syrup, which is unhealthy.
And my favorite thing to find on
these jars, it says, original
recipe. You look at the
ingredients as high fructose
corn syrup. How original is
that?
The crappiest sugar product you
can put in
something? Yes, yeah, it's
pretty, pretty gruesome.
Speaking of
hot dogs, we also have a we're
in pig country out here in
eastern North Carolina. There's,
you're in East North Carolina,
eastern North Carolina. Yep,
yep. So we've got hog farms
everywhere,
so you have the pure vinegar
barbecue
sauce. Yes, yes, we can
make, I can make a barbecue
stocks. I North Carolina is the
capital of barbecue, as you
know, yeah, and but the east and
the west, and then there's a
couple of sub sections in the
middle make a different style of
barbecue, and their sauces are
different. And I've been all
through North Carolina. I love
that state, and it was really
interesting about North
Carolina. It easily switched
from these, by the way. These
are millions. I have a million
of these stories. It switched
from a tobacco growing state, uh
huh, to a wine growing state at
the drop of a hat. Yep,
I saw it happen. We live in
rural, very rural, North
Carolina, and it used to be
tobacco fields everywhere. Yeah,
we still have fields on. Around
it, and now there's vineyards
everywhere, and there are
soybeans ever
Oh, sorry to hear that, but
yeah, the it harkens back to me,
and I remember it distinctly
when I first time I went to
Bordeaux, France, because I'm
kind of a wine collector, I went
to Bordeaux, and this was in the
70s, and I went there, and I was
floating around the vineyards.
And most of the small family
vineyards had rows and rows of
vines and rows and rows of
tobacco and everything, and they
don't, that's, you won't see
that much anymore, but back in
the day, there was tobacco, and
the vines grew side by side and
probably influenced each other's
flavors too, but they grew side
by side. I always said, That's
interesting, that tobacco grows
where vines grow, and so when
North Carolina made the
switches, I far as I was
concerned, this was obvious that
was going to happen, because
vines and tobacco both like
growing in the same area. I
didn't know that. I didn't
nobody knows that. And then
North Carolina, that grow great
grapes. They know it now. I
mean, because they just pulled
up their tobacco fields and put
in vineyards, and it works fine,
and they make good wine. There.
The problem in North Carolina,
why is not to belabor this, but
is the they don't have the it's,
it's a it's a milieu. They don't
have the winemakers mill you
that they have out into Napa
Valley, let's say, for example,
where everybody's a winemaker,
and they all talk about it all
the time. In places like North
Carolina, they it's going to
take a while before they develop
that. So they the quality of
increase as they do,
yeah? It's very like, Hey, I,
you know, we made a, we made a
wine, you know, yeah,
you run into that in Texas too.
They're,
they're just like, like, we went
to a wine tour at one of the
very small vineyards around
here. And it was all very just
like, hey, we did we did the
thing. We made we made it. We
did it. It was like, we saw
other people doing it, and then
we read how to do it, and then
we
did it. Yeah, that sounds right.
So I guess it's just, you know,
it's what happens over time, is
that there's a couple of guys
that are nuts and they they have
the super skills, and then
develop actually make good wine.
And everyone goes to them, and
then they kind of consult, and
everyone gets brings up their
game, right? But that hasn't
happened yet. I don't think
it'll take. I'm not a fan of
wine in general. Very few wines
that I've been like, oh, wow,
that's fantastic, but I am, you
know, I also haven't had a
ridiculous amount of wine
either, so, but let's see what
else did we have here? Yeah, and
I was just, I know Leila wanted
to ask you about the vinegar so,
so just apple cider vinegar is,
is the way to go with pickling
for just because we're doing,
like, not like, long term
fermented, not long Yeah, no,
it's not fermented at all, not
what I meant to say. But like,
so I use apple cider I make a
hot sauce occasionally when I
get a big batch of serranos, and
it's basically just serranos and
apple cider vinegar, and it's
fantastic. Just I've gotten the
the mix,
just right, some garlic into
that mix.
I do, I put, I've put garlic
into it, and then, oh yeah,
salt. And I think I put that.
That's about it. I didn't put a
lot in because I wanted to get,
like, a base and then change it
up, but I liked the product so
much.
Um, well, sir, rhinoceros is a
great is a great hot pepper
without being too hot, right?
And then it's also, um, it's
just a flavor of it. It has that
fresh green I don't know how
else to describe the flavor.
Yeah. I just
classic Mexican uncooked Mexican
chili verde is based on that
flavor you're talking about,
right? Jalapenos, hematoon, they
usually use that, but serranos
will provide that same taste
with a little more heat.
I hope to like be able to make
enough eventually to bottle it
and sell it, you know, locally,
or to, you know, fans of the
show or whatever we are selling
hot sauce now, but it's just,
it's white label. We're ordering
it with our labels on it.
Funfactfriday com, you know, a
little play on words there, but
you can go to Hot Sauce dot
funfactfriday com and get a case
if you want.
Well, you're making lots of it.
Well,
it's sticker mules sauce, and
they started doing white label,
and you can order, and we're
doing
what kind of North Carolina
style of East Coast, West Coast,
East, West, a
middle of the road, just almost
like a Texas Pete, but a little,
a little snow,
not Texas Pete. It's like its
own thing. It's kind of sweet.
It's got a sweetness to
it. Little Memphis
action going, Yeah, and it's
got, yeah, yeah. There you go. I
was trying to pinpoint it, but
it's good. It's got a, maybe a
medium heat, a little hotter
than medium picante sauce, like
medium pace pecan sauce, little
hotter than that, but it's got
some sweetness to it. So it's
pretty good.
The spice of hot sauce or fire
sauce from Taco Bell, but
it's just kind of like a little
promotional item.
I'm sure it's great. Yeah? So
yeah, we didn't want to take up
too much of your time. We did
want to. Thank you so much. You
brought us a large chunk of our
main listener base, yeah, when
you played the clip from our
way, way, way back show, when
Leila sound?
Remember how long ago? That was
10 years, at least. Yeah, at
least
10 years. Leila was four. Yeah,
she sounded four. Oh, my God,
exactly.
Well, what one of the other
thing like you, you y'all were
busting on us because we sounded
like NPR, and we did at the
beginning, like, I want,
I was used to you, yeah. Well,
you mostly, I mean, she doesn't
sound like NPR. Well, no, you
weren't doing the the NPR. You
were talking. You were this,
obviously, listen to NPR because
you don't do that. That's not a
natural voice, no the NPR voice
or close mic, dead room, you can
do anyone can make that sound.
It helps to have a super dead
room. And then you talk slower,
and you're in your close mic,
and you say, Well, today you're
very modulation is, is not, is
sub normal. It's not a lot of
modulation, except once in a
while and that then it stands
like a sore thumb. It's a style
that we mock, right?
I was trying to, I was trying to
make it sound clean. And you
should have seen our setup back
then, we were running two $20
mics into
Austin audacity to edit into
a problem right there, into a
$20 mixer. Yeah, and then I
can't even remember what
interface how it interfaced with
the computer, but we ran it
right into Audacity, like a USB.
And I mean, we had a script, and
I would spend twice as long
editing as we talk.
And he taught me how to edit,
like, you're gonna edit every
single episode, right? And
then we were just like, why
don't instead of editing, why
don't we just get better at
talking? Why don't we just not
edit? Well, you know Adam, when
he was running the mevio thing,
and I was always in total
agreement with this thesis.
There's different ways of doing
these kinds of productions, but
live to tape is the is the right
term for it? Yep, and that means
you don't do any or you minimum,
do very minimal post production,
because that's what kills you.
It does. There used to be a
podcast that I thought was very
competitive with us called
unfiltered. Couple guys in
Seattle did it and they would,
it was similar. They used clips
and they analyzed them. They
was, it was a very good show.
And the two guys had a falling
out, unfortunately, but they but
it took them days and days and
days to get the show out,
because they were posting it up
so much, you know, they had to
edit this. I get the ums out of
there. I guess I don't. I mean,
when you're when you're looking
at the waveforms, you you're
very tempted to take every um or
you take him out, you don't
sound like a person. Then, yeah,
no, you don't sound like a
person at all. And so, so they,
they were taking too long to
produce a show. I'd like to Adam
gets to show out. And we get to
show out in probably 40 minutes
after it's finished. And that
includes getting the art,
getting the title, finding the
opening, and then doing a little
thing at the close, and that's
all posted up, that's all put on
at the end, and then getting the
RSS feed so it's right. And
that's 40 minutes. Horowitz gets
to show out in 15 minutes.
It takes us 10
go up.
There you go. That's all it
should take. It takes I wrote
using the the AI. I wrote the a
show notes, RSS feed maker, and
I put in a drag and drop our
show notes into it that we've
got in our our next cloud
collaborate thing. I just drag
and drop that in. I upload the
mp three, I type in two pieces
of information, and it spits out
an RSS feed and a update to the
website. And and then I click,
yep, and then I click a
what, how's the RSS feed
produced? Is that part of the
system, or did you write some
code to make that happen?
I wrote some code to make that
happen. No, okay, it's, well,
I'll, I'll say that the AI wrote
some code to make it happen, and
I, I customized it. That's how
we'll say that.
That's you got the right idea.
It. Yeah. And. To get the show
out and get the finished product
done of 10 minutes,
15 if I have to make art, if I
don't have, like, a picture
ready, because sometimes we'll
say something in the show that's
so funny that I have to make the
show art, like, for that
reference that.
So I'll pop on the art through
AI too.
Um, it depends. I try not to,
because has
been doing that recently. We and
it's actually far superior than
what he's been doing
before. We find I should become
a good
prop jockey for this sort of
thing, for what you're doing
here. I think you can, once you
get the hang of it. I think you
can do tremendous AI art for for
shows. Yeah, we're Adam hates
it, but and we bitch about it
all the time. When we were
picking our art for our show,
which is a has a bunch of
competitive artists that are
doing it. We don't do it, but
they're doing it. And, you know,
a lot of it's junk junkie AI,
but some of it's just like, wow,
how do you what did we had a
situation with Darren O'Neill,
who's who's gotten really good
at AI art, who's also does some,
some shows himself. He did some,
a couple of tremendous pieces
that I insisted that he give me
the entire process that, in
other words, all the prompts,
all the results of the prompts.
And he did that. He sent me the
initial prompt and what what it
generated, and another prompt
that modified what it generated,
and another prompt. He usually
gets it in three or four prompts
with some modifications to a
piece of art that is like, this
is ridiculous. Isn't so good. So
we probably use speed up. We use
those probably about half the
time. I use a site called
Pexels. It's P, E, X, E, L,
s.com, and it is 100% copyright
free. Use it for anything, even
commercial stuff, art.
And it's actually ELS, yes,
and they have video clips,
images, some art, like people
have created, but it's all like
they, they request that you
credit the artist, but it's not
required. And then I've got, if
you look at our show, art per
episode, I've got our, whatever
the picture is in, like a
hexagon with our title and the
title of the episode on it, and
that way you can always tell,
you'll see it, you'll know it's
our show, but the arts different
every episode, so it's kind of
like a branding thing. And then,
yeah, that even if I'm using AI
or pixels, it still only takes
me five minutes to to throw it
together in a free Photoshop
clone online.
Good. Which Photoshop clone are
you using?
Photo Pia or photo P,
it's photo P, I don't know.
Photo P, it's
P, H, O, T, O, P, E, A, huh, and
you can even, I would say yes,
photopia, but it, it looks and
feels just like Photoshop,
obviously, without the, you
know, and it runs right in your
browser. It does have ads all
over the page, but nothing in
our house has ads because, you
know, I squashed that with
technology. So I just used that,
and used my original templates
that I did make in Photoshop
back when I was paying for it,
and just drag those templates
in, drop the new art in, change
the title, boom. But nice. It's
a very nice, nice little system
we have going good, and I'm kind
of, I'm kind of proud of it, I
can tell. But yeah, we
definitely wanted to thank you
for for getting us a good chunk
of our audience. And we, we've
been listening to, Leila has
been listening to no agenda,
literally, her entire life.
Yeah? Well,
I'm sorry, Leila, yeah, thanks.
As soon as she could talk, she
was singing the jungle. She just
doesn't mention it at school.
She doesn't.
There's one person,
I think, never said that.
It's a scam.
No, I quoted her in the house,
though
she does. She quote she she
doesn't talk a lot about
anything podcasting at school,
because she's too cool for that.
So no big deal.
Get yourself a tick tock account
and just no camera that fit
right in. No
we I would rather talk about my
podcast at school.
Tick tock's The worst. Yo. It's
highly entertaining. It I will
entertaining.
I will say that there's some
entertaining stuff that's come
out. Oh, there's plenty.
Some of it's sickening,
especially these dumb girls who
do lip sync songs and do stupid
dance. Says, But, yeah, you can
get past those. Twitter is
another one that, I think is, if
people still can, they moan
about it more than than they
used to. But in fact, if you, if
you push back, I've done this
with people. I think Twitter is
20 times more entertaining than
it's ever been. Yes, it's got
funny stuff. It's got stuff
that's like, completely off the
wall, crazy conspiracies that
are incredibly entertaining. Nut
balls. It's just great. And, you
know, Elon has just let this
thing go nuts, and he's on it
way too much, yes, yeah,
constantly
posting. Dad started to get his
Twitter algorithm to being
actually good.
It's, it's taken a while, but
Twitter definitely gives you
what you engage with. And I've
been trying. I've been trying to
engage with the funny stuff and
the light hearted stuff, because
the politics, you know, I enjoy
keeping up with what's going on
and and all that, but I can't be
embroiled in it all the time. I
have to have the the funny
videos and the for some reason,
Twitter, the last couple of
days, has been feeding me these,
I think it's called Dogville or
Dogtown. It's these old black
and white movies of dogs dressed
in these. You've seen them?
No, I haven't seen it on
Twitter. I know what you're
talking about. Dogtown. It's a
bunch of dogs that talk to each
other and just smoke cigars, if
I'm not mistaken,
30s, yep. And they've got, like,
like, six shooters, and it's
just, it's just little, little
short films. But it is so Max
Senate, or somebody did those. I
love it, and I always like I
like them or whatever. And the
more you like stuff and like a
certain genre, the algo is
getting better. I'll just say
that it's learning and I'm
actually getting entertaining
funny stuff, instead of just
people yelling at each other and
calling each other names all the
time, which is what I used to
get. I kind of enjoy that
because like to see people
screaming at each other.
Something about is satisfying,
drama,
but, yeah, nuts. No, no, sauce
is not life threatening. Yeah,
yeah. And I love it when people
just they're they're making good
points to each other at the
beginning, and then maybe, what,
10 comments down, they're just
calling each other names. And
yes, the comments, the comments
have also gone a little I think
the comments on I could be
wrong, because I might be just
getting feeds like this, but the
comments, especially the lengthy
ones, where there's not lengthy
in terms of a single comment.
But the pages of comments are, I
think they've gone extremely
right wing, and I think it's
caught a lot of people off
guard. There are the critics
that are within those comments
are just overwhelming. It's
ended. Most of them are, you
know, they hate Joe Biden. They
hate us. They they and they have
funny lines. Some of them are
humorous. Some of the things
they say, I it's very enjoyable.
Yeah, it's fun to scroll while
you're while you got time to
kill. But, yeah, we didn't want
to take up any more of your
time. Anything else you wanted.
We got it. We got the plug for
too many eggs.
Yeah, that was the only reason I
came on. Gotcha lecture you
about your own agriculture. So,
right, yeah, since you're there,
you know what? I know,
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go all
the vineyards and be like, Y'all
need to plant some tobacco.
Well, they do. They you can be
sure that most of them had the
tobacco already. What you should
do is, even though you don't
like wine, you might my wife
loves it, though there is good
wine, but you know what? The one
thing that the most rank
amateurs can do, they can make
pretty decent white wines. And
so you can always go with that
the red wines are harder to
make, right? Somebody would
argue with me on that when it
comes to super great white
wines, but generally speaking,
you don't have to have the same
skill level. So yeah,
that's any any topic that has
somebody who's a connoisseur.
Same thing with like coffee,
like you're gonna have people
that are gonna argue that this
is the better way to roast it,
or this is the better place to
go, and this is the better and
everybody just wants to sound
smarter than everybody else. My
wife likes wine. She She enjoys
it, but she's like, I don't know
any. I just, I find a bottle
that looks like the kind of wine
I like. I'll try it if I don't
like it. I write down. I don't
I'm not gonna buy
that one again. She still hasn't
yet started writing them down,
right? She, she just kind of
remembers she's gonna have to
move to Bordeaux wine Bordeaux.
She, she likes red blend is
normally. She's like, Yeah, what
Bordeaux is,
that's all. It is. Okay. The
reason you want the Bordeaux, I
don't know what to I haven't
been to a liquor store in North
Carolina forever, so I don't
know this for a. Fact, but
there's always some places
bringing it in. It's cheaper
than any domestic wine, and
better, generally speaking,
okay, and healthier. You don't
get headaches from it. It's not
mono cultured. I mean, most of
the wines we have in the United
States because of the nature of
the like in Napa Valley, for
example, there's so much a cedar
bacter and just in the air.
That's why we have sourdough
bread. Like falling off a log in
California, because there's
sourdough bread comes from the a
cedar bacter that's natural to
the to the atmosphere around
here, you believe some so flour
out, it turns sour because of
all this bacteria, this acidic,
these acid making bacteria that
make acetic acid, like vinegar,
and so the so the bread tastes
terrific, but the problem is it
gets into the wine. And you make
a wine, and next thing you know,
the wine is bad. In one year, it
turns into a bottle of vinegar,
which I know a lot about,
because I like making vinegar.
And so they have to kill all the
microbes in the must, which is
the grape juice. When they crush
the grapes, they have to kill
everything. So they do that with
hydrogen sulfur dioxide. And so
they do, and once it's dead,
then they inoculate the entire
batch with some yeast of some
sort, usually a monoculture, and
you end up with a wine that is
just not as complicated or
interesting as you would with
natural geese, which you have in
Europe, because in Bordeaux, For
example, the grapes themselves
will be covered with this yeast.
We have it. We have grapes
covered with the yeast here too.
But we got so much a cedar
bacter it makes it almost
impossible to make a bottle of
of genuine, you know, field
blended wine from natural yeast.
Once in a while they do it, and
they they're successful, but 90%
of the time they can't do it.
But in Europe, that's all,
generally speaking, that's all
they do. And so you get better
products, and it's healthier,
huh? Oh,
there's some fun. That'll be my
last lecture for today.
No, we enjoy. That's, those are
cool facts. Uh, Leila tried to
make, tried to make some
sourdough a couple weeks ago,
yeah, to get a starter going,
and it was not working the rye
flour, no, the whole wheat flour
is doing great, but when I put
the all purpose flour in, it
doesn't do what it's supposed to
do.
Yeah, what you're gonna what
you'd have to do? I've never
made it personally. I know how
it's made. I know what the
processes are, you're gonna have
to find some, some source for
the for the sour, the starter.
You got to find a starter.
She was trying to make a starter
when you get it
going. Once it gets going, you
have it, you have a starter, but
to get it to the point where
it's healthy. As a healthy
starter, you may have to use
somebody else's starter, right?
Oh, yeah, that's what you have
to lose. You have to find
someone. I mean, there's the
cheat for making sour dough, is
just to put vinegar in it. Now
you could probably put a I've
never done this. I'm just
guessing. But I'm always
thinking that you could do a
cedar bacter, living a cedar
bacter, like you can get, like
for example, Bragg's apple cider
vinegar has live yeast in it or
live bacteria in it, a cedar
bacteria, supposedly. And I'm
wondering if you dump some of
that in the into a bunch of
flour, if you'd have, if it
would take, huh? I've never
thought about it, but I'm always
wondering, because I don't know
that you can make good sourdough
outside of these areas like we
have here, where it's just the
air is, you know, basically
vinegar,
right? It all comes back to
vinegar. It's
just back to vinegar,
Well, John, it's been a pleasure
having you on.
Congratulations on 200 shows.
That's a milestone for most
podcasts can't even get to 10.
Okay, the two of you, and it's a
good show. You guys do
appreciate that. Definitely and
and now we'll be going to, who
are we going to? We're going to
David and Leila with the the
value for value segment. Thank
you, John, we will. You're
welcome back anytime, as is Mimi
and y'all have a have a
fantastic rest of your week.
Okay, thanks guys, thanks for
throwing it back to us. David
and Leila,
yeah, we
appreciate that. Want to thank
John again for coming on the
show that that was a great
conversation. I wish we could
have talked longer, but it was
getting late, and you know,
everybody's time is valuable.
So, no, it's actually after
Leila had been at school. You
were at school for a 12 hour
day. It was with all your clubs
and your band and everything,
and then
we hope I was energetic enough.
You were you
were okay. You did okay, but I
didn't get to I didn't get to
talk to John about a few things
I wanted to talk to him about.
Maybe we'll get to stealing our
good news section. Yeah, they
started doing a good news
segment. I don't think they're
doing it anymore. Now. I
listened to the episode today,
and they didn't do it. So maybe
they got all of them, yeah. But
yeah, yeah, it's it was
fantastic having John on, and we
could have that conversation,
could have gone 100 different
ways. And he's, he's got a story
for everything. Yeah, he's a
he's a talker.
Definitely appreciate that
experience, and
we appreciate his, you know,
Mimi coming on and doing the too
many eggs that was, that was a
great episode. We appreciate
that too. But I think we're
going to jump right into the
value for value segment. This is
a value for value podcast, as
you know, as Adam curry
mentioned before the the
interview we just had there. And
let's see donations click. I
made a separate page this time
for for donations. Oh, and that
link the I went to the
archive.org and looked up, and I
got the link for the escape
audio drama, and that is in the
show notes. And you can go to
that, and there's just so many
episodes, pretty dope. It's
pretty good. It's pretty good.
It's got that old timey radio,
you know, it's like, it's like
at this and there we are on the
train, and big monster was
coming through the window. Nice.
That was not planned.
She's like, I know whether it's
a monster button. I
don't want my glasses on, so we
could barely read it, but I knew
which one was the right one,
right?
Yeah, it's a really good audio
drama, and they have and then I
started surfing around
archive.org and there's so many
radio dramas from that, from
that era, but, you know, some of
them are real boring ball this
weekend, yeah, and I'm actually,
I am thinking about maybe making
an RSS feed out of some of them,
because why not? You know, put
them in the podcast sphere, and
I think, I think folks would
enjoy it. But let's jump over to
donations. We received a cash
donation, along with purchasing
some of the hot sauce cousin
Vito sent us $20 reduce dollar.
Well, American dollar reduce,
not australian dollar reduce
American, just dollars, I guess,
yes. So we definitely appreciate
that. That's fantastic. We,
we're we're here. We're going to
go out and get some, get a
treat, go out of like the
Mongolian restaurant or
something. That sounds good.
Yeah, that'll be fun. We'll go
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Vito, yeah, and we appreciate
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you. And let's see, what else do
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yeah, if I can, hold on. Okay,
so, oh, I don't know how to read
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No, it's just the way you way
you put it. Okay, 847, SATs from
just listening and just
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down. Sounds like a nerd. Sat
and sonar go really, go together
really well.
That's in reference to me the I
boosted our own show to test. I
was testing a helipad or
something like that. Okay, we
were making fun of the media.
Sky. Yeah, that meet us, nerd,
cool guy. Dot FYI, all right.
Oh,
well, don't do like, sorry. He
highlighted it, and the
highlight color was like a
really dark color,
so I couldn't read it as hard as
I can on these.
So another 847, SATs from just
listening on the episode before
that ancient civilizations cool.
It ranked. The coolest thing
about these ancient
civilizations is how many were
stupid good at stonework, the
Inca, the Incas in particular,
and
then there's a link, and I will
put the link in the show notes.
I'm gonna copy link. I
love looking at, like, all the
sculptures from that from back
then, right?
I gotta do this right now, or
it's not gonna happen. You know
me, but, yeah, I'll put that
link in the show notes, and it's
a link to the Incan it's rock
whispers the subtle power of
Incan masonry. So this is pretty
cool. That's pretty cool. And
then let's see, oh, the next one
we actually already read, I
believe, yeah. Did we read it?
Yeah, because it was, it was
20,033 SATs from Kevin hallasy.
Yeah. For 33 for the magic
number, 200 for episode. 200
Yeah, we definitely appreciate
that. That's fantastic. So yeah,
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support segment. We are value
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you know that that does mean a
lot to us and keeps us going
with stuff we did receive one
other note. It is from the
silent third member of the show,
my wife, phaedra's Mother, I'm
what try leila's Mother,
Phaedra, no, okay, so here we
go. She sent us a little note.
Just wanted to tell you both,
and I'm super proud of you. I'm
not great with words or saying
or with saying it often, but I
know you both know it. I'm
amazed each and every time I
listen to the show, you are both
funny, quick witted,
entertaining, and dare I say, I
have actually learned stuff from
your shows. Most of all, I am so
thankful I can go back anytime
and listen to my two favorite
people, even when I roll my eyes
with a joke or a rant I know is
coming, I cannot help but smile
and laugh every time I listen,
it makes my heart so incredibly
full. I love you both. Heart,
heart,
heart, oh,
sweet. So she has, she knows she
doesn't want to be on Mike,
which I get, it's not her thing.
We're not going to force her so.
But she was, like, my favorite
thing, one of my favorite things
from the whole show is when
Leila did this little, little
gap.
Oh, don't do it too loud. You
mean jack human or Hugh Jackman.
I
did you just call him Jack
human,
who was in the greatest showman?
Oh, it's Jack human.
That was episode 28 that was
about four years ago. Yeah,
that's crazy. You sound like a,
like, just like a little toddler
kid, like John was talking
about, you sound like a little,
squeaky kid, yeah? But you know
you were, I mean, you're 10,
this, you know, long time ago,
talking about the first time he
did the Huzzah, right? But we
couldn't find that. Couldn't
find that transcript, obviously,
right. Do that Huzzah?
Like, how do you know I can't
remember anything else we said
around it. But basically, I
just, I finished my drink, and
we have just been watching a
show where huzzah was, like, one
of the things that somebody
said, and he would throw his
drink across the room, and I
threw my bottle. Oh, it's
called, I think it's the great,
not a kid's show, um, about
Catherine, the great. And the
guy on there throws his, like,
whatever he's drinking out of
when he's done with it, he's
like, huzzah, and throws it
across the room. And I did that,
and it hit the wall really loud,
and scared the crap out of
Phaedra, because it hit the
wall, like the door, and it it
was funny. It was like, across
the house, right? It was a funny
moment. So she heard this big,
loud bang, and then on the
podcast, because she was
listening live at the time. She
heard me say his office. She
didn't know what was happening.
Yeah, good times. Good times. So
we're sitting at a, you know, a
good, good little chunk of time
right now, hour and 20 something
minutes. So I think, I think
we're gonna wrap it up. We did
want to say thank you one last
time to for this episode, of
course, but dreb Scott, yeah.
Dreb Scott, you are the fourth
member of our team. Silent
member.
You make this show happen pretty
much.
Sometimes I think dreb Does more
work on our show than we do.
Yeah, he does, because
transcripts are thanks to dreb
and chapters. Chapters are
thanks to dreb and dreb. If you
ever want a little time off,
I've told you, let me know I can
do the chapters for a little
while. I even made a little
little chapter maker program.
Thanks everybody for listening.
We got, we got some changes
coming to the show. We did
nothing big. But, you know, we
got a little, little little,
little changes. What is going on
with my balance on the I track
that down later. It's not
important to the show. Watching
our helipad and the numbers
bouncing around. A couple little
changes. We might be changing up
our logo a little bit. You know.
Keeping with the team, but
brand, changing up the brand a
little bit, updating, getting a
little more teenager than 10
year old, making it, you know,
like that. We're still not going
to go, you know, edgy or
anything. Oh yeah, I'm still
gonna be family friendly, just
maybe a little like, I don't
know if y'all have noticed, but
Leila has got, she's been saying
the word C, R, A, P, a lot more
lately. So hopefully that's not
a problem for y'all with kids.
Let us know if it is. But I
think, I think that's words okay
with most folks. But yeah, yeah.
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